Through The Mists

‘Blissful Ignorance’

[00:24:49.27] Mary: Yep. Alright. Again, we’re only a page into the chapter, but he brings up something else that’s quite important. Just there in the next paragraph, he begins to say : Activity is the natural heritage of the soul, excelsior its motto, and holiness its goal; thus their united endeavour had been to arouse in me a great desire to reach out after the ideals which ever lie on before; to realise the fact that the legitimate satisfaction of man can only be achieved when, like the Psalmist of old, he awakes to the consciousness that he has attained to the likeness of God.

[00:25:38.01] A.J.: Mmm. Some pretty important things there, actually. Particularly this side of the activity of the soul. Like, I see a lot of people, on earth in particular, in this state of what you would classify as ‘blissful ignorance’ and ‘blissful desire to remain inactive’; and it’s a very temporary bliss, because nothing really comes of it. No real progress is ever made; and on top of that, many of these people arrive in the spirit world in the hells, because of their lack of desire; and they don’t know anything about desire, in fact. They neither know what it looks like to have a desire unfulfilled; or fulfilled; nor do they know what it looks like to have a desire in the wrong direction compared to the right direction; or in a loving direction compared to an unloving direction. And because they don’t understand desire at all, they sit in places of stagnation for such long periods of time; and they are some of the most difficult people to help in the spirit world, actually. These people who sit in the stagnation; in the desire for ignorance; and the desire for not doing anything, just sit there, hoping that some external force will come to their aid; and it never does. Until they learn the lesson that activity is required on their part before any real change is going to occur.

Discussion about final chapter of “Through the Mists” book group – Segment 1

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Desire for God

Extract from a discussion at the book group of Through The Mists – chapter 11. Part one of full discussion

[01:07:50.03] Audience: (Teresa) That brings me to a question I had about that chapter. About my motivation for seeking God. This is something I’ve thought about before; and I thought : does it matter if the only reason I’m looking for God is so I don’t hurt anymore; or is it I can use it to be more, I don’t know, have more pure desire? Does it matter if it’s just to get out of the pain?

 

[01:11:12.15] Mary: Very much so. You’re wanting from God – as lots of you pointed out, very eloquently – you know, there’s an addiction, actually, you’re wanting to set up with God. And it will backfire (laughter). You’re not going to get far before God’s going to want to confront you with : It’s not going to work, my daughter; you’re going to actually embrace pain in order to grow. What do you feel about that?

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[01:11:41.16] Audience: (Teresa) I feel, and I’m getting rid of that feeling of pain, but it still feels like that’s the driving force behind it; just to be happy; and I’m not sure of the pureness of that desire – maybe not so much to get out of pain, but to just be happy, is that…..

 

[01:12:04.09] Mary: Yeah. Can I put to you a different desire? Rather than desiring to be happy, could you desire to be whole? Could you desire to be all of Teresa? Whether that’s painful or pleasurable or joyful or fearful; and whether that takes you in a direction that you never have gone before. Down a path of desire of creativity that you never thought would ever be a part of you. That’s the sort of thing… that’s the desires we’re going to have if we’re going to have a relationship with God. This feeling that : I’m going to trust you, God; and I’m going to desire to not only know you but to know me. Both desires we really need if we’re going to grow towards God. And right now, me is not that happy; or happy sometimes, but there’s sadness sometimes. And, yes, it’s true, when we really grow in this relationship with God, sadness will be a thing of the past. So, it’s not bad to want joy, you know, it’s not. But if that’s your only….for example, if you want to be happy without being whole, it’s impossible in a true sense. By using the word ‘whole’ I mean to really know yourself; to really embrace everything that’s in you right now, but also the potentials of things, the great things that are in you. You have to be willing to face your fear of those things. You’re not going to have a desire for them : Yep, I’ve got that, you know, because otherwise you’d already be experiencing them. So there’s going to be fears to face as we do that, to embrace everything that’s within us now; and everything that we have the potential to be, that’s also scary sometimes. Yeah. But that’s the kind of desire that will carry you very close to God. So, I agree with what the girls said about being real with where you’re at, and just engaging God in that right now and saying : look, this is what I feel right now. Can you give me truth about this. Can you show me how this is going to work and be beautiful. But I don’t think you’re alone in that feeling, Teresa. I think a lot of people feel that it would just be good to be out of pain; and feeling like there’s a lot of pain. But as we develop humility, we’ll develop the willingness to not only experience the pain, but just experience what God is bringing to us. You know. Good question.